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Re: How much should I pay for this Grotrian-Steinweg Piano?
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I would assume your piano tuner will know much more about the piano than me, as you have gone into some detail about his visit. The name itself Grotrian Steinweg is a reputable make of piano, (I frequently tune my old college mate's grand) .... however, even 2 pianos with the same name are never the same condition or sound - even when new.
First of all.....
A/ ''How much should I pay'' and B/ ''how much it's worth'' are two totally different things.
B/ We cannot give valuations here on the forum (see blue box above) - and your piano tuner may have a better idea of value for money since he has tuned it. It also very much depends on the internal condition of the mechanism, regular servicing & maintenance, regulation work etc, and of course the condition of the tuning pins and general wear & tear.
It may help if we knew the following
A/ .... How much is the piano for sale? How much are you willing to spend?
Any piano around 100 years old will be a risk to buy, so even if we gave a rough price - this would not change anything; and the piano may last only a few more years.
Depending on what the seller wants, if a reasonably low price - then take it! You can also download some pictures here of the whole piano, keyboard and mechanism (removing the front top panel) - but many people find it hassle to do that, so the enquiry goes no further than this.
The price also depends on the following:-
1. Auction/ private/ retail sale
2. Country/ county/ town area
3. Unique carvings/ designs on piano
4. Full receipts of all tunings & servicing
5. Piano stool included?
6. Bidding interest (if auction)
7. Is the piano overstrung/ underdamped/ 3/4 or full iron frame - condition of hammers & strings/ Concert Pitch? / Well regulated ??
No one here can estimate a piano's value like that of a house - a musical instrument needs to be closely examined, played, heard, touched, assessed and put through the paces...... then, a price offered. Best you take a piano tuner with you to examine it - which I would have thought they would have had more idea of its worth.
Only general advice can be offered here. There is no 'Blue book' or price guide book for any old piano - especially over 100 years old.... unless its the top maker names. Whatever the price is, its up to you to negotiate - maybe ask a lower price if you think its too high. If your tuner thinks its OK, then he has actually seen inside it, tuned, been there etc.... we here on this forum haven't !!
Hope that helps
First of all.....
A/ ''How much should I pay'' and B/ ''how much it's worth'' are two totally different things.
B/ We cannot give valuations here on the forum (see blue box above) - and your piano tuner may have a better idea of value for money since he has tuned it. It also very much depends on the internal condition of the mechanism, regular servicing & maintenance, regulation work etc, and of course the condition of the tuning pins and general wear & tear.
It may help if we knew the following
A/ .... How much is the piano for sale? How much are you willing to spend?
Any piano around 100 years old will be a risk to buy, so even if we gave a rough price - this would not change anything; and the piano may last only a few more years.
Depending on what the seller wants, if a reasonably low price - then take it! You can also download some pictures here of the whole piano, keyboard and mechanism (removing the front top panel) - but many people find it hassle to do that, so the enquiry goes no further than this.
The price also depends on the following:-
1. Auction/ private/ retail sale
2. Country/ county/ town area
3. Unique carvings/ designs on piano
4. Full receipts of all tunings & servicing
5. Piano stool included?
6. Bidding interest (if auction)
7. Is the piano overstrung/ underdamped/ 3/4 or full iron frame - condition of hammers & strings/ Concert Pitch? / Well regulated ??
No one here can estimate a piano's value like that of a house - a musical instrument needs to be closely examined, played, heard, touched, assessed and put through the paces...... then, a price offered. Best you take a piano tuner with you to examine it - which I would have thought they would have had more idea of its worth.
Only general advice can be offered here. There is no 'Blue book' or price guide book for any old piano - especially over 100 years old.... unless its the top maker names. Whatever the price is, its up to you to negotiate - maybe ask a lower price if you think its too high. If your tuner thinks its OK, then he has actually seen inside it, tuned, been there etc.... we here on this forum haven't !!
Hope that helps
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Re: How much should I pay for this Grotrian-Steinweg Piano?
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Re: How much should I pay for this Grotrian-Steinweg Piano?
well done, for a piano that is 100 years old and may need some heavy restoration, I think that's a good price.
Old pianos are a lottery. Sometimes they can be amazing and go on and on and on, and sometimes they can be a real pain in the posterior.
The thing that sells old pianos, is, they can have a really special sound and often have beautiful casework. Not that new pianos can't have a special sound - of course they can, it's just a different aesthetic, that's all.
Hopefully the piano will be OK but at that price, you did fine.
Old pianos are a lottery. Sometimes they can be amazing and go on and on and on, and sometimes they can be a real pain in the posterior.
The thing that sells old pianos, is, they can have a really special sound and often have beautiful casework. Not that new pianos can't have a special sound - of course they can, it's just a different aesthetic, that's all.
Hopefully the piano will be OK but at that price, you did fine.
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Re: How much should I pay for this Grotrian-Steinweg Piano?
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That's not a bad price - so good luck with that.
Found it surprising that your tuner would replace the loose pins for free? - I suppose the odd one or two could be 'thrown in' .... but sometimes on 100 year old pianos - 100 year old strings dont like to be completely de-tensioned, then whizzed back to about 80kg of pressure.... and occasionally they break! ...... so if strings start to break, it may not be a 'freeby' ...... also ask your tuner about the possibility of ''pin-tite' - a special liquid injected into the wrest pin holes, but a bench truck is needed to tip the piano over onto its back.
Hope everything goes OK.... but you must keep saying to yourself over & over again.... ''this piano is over 100 years old'' ......'' this piano is over 100 years old'' !!
Found it surprising that your tuner would replace the loose pins for free? - I suppose the odd one or two could be 'thrown in' .... but sometimes on 100 year old pianos - 100 year old strings dont like to be completely de-tensioned, then whizzed back to about 80kg of pressure.... and occasionally they break! ...... so if strings start to break, it may not be a 'freeby' ...... also ask your tuner about the possibility of ''pin-tite' - a special liquid injected into the wrest pin holes, but a bench truck is needed to tip the piano over onto its back.
Hope everything goes OK.... but you must keep saying to yourself over & over again.... ''this piano is over 100 years old'' ......'' this piano is over 100 years old'' !!
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Re: How much should I pay for this Grotrian-Steinweg Piano?
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ThedchgsColin Nicholson wrote:That's not a bad price - so good luck with that.
Found it surprising that your tuner would replace the loose pins for free? - I suppose the odd one or two could be 'thrown in' .... but sometimes on 100 year old pianos - 100 year old strings dont like to be completely de-tensioned, then whizzed back to about 80kg of pressure.... and occasionally they break! ...... so if strings start to break, it may not be a 'freeby' ...... also ask your tuner about the possibility of ''pin-tite' - a special liquid injected into the wrest pin holes, but a bench truck is needed to tip the piano over onto its back.
Hope everything goes OK.... but you must keep saying to yourself over & over again.... ''this piano is over 100 years old'' ......'' this piano is over 100 years old'' !!
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Re: How much should I pay for this Grotrian-Steinweg Piano?
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The piano will love a 'cold' house; think what the heating was like 100 years ago, that's what it was built for. Radiators warmed up gradually, and were offset by open chimneys, draughty windows and a breeze from through the floorboards. It has probably been dried out and overheated in a modern house to get loose pins, so your house will be like a spa break!
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