Can anyone tell me any information on a piano manufacturer "F.ZELLER".
I've recently seen one of these for sale but I can't find anything at all about them.
They case and design look very similar to the H.G.SCHUBERT pianos but other than that I'm at a loss.
Thanks
Michael (Glasgow)
F.ZELLER
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Hi,
Phoned the 'Dealer?' today, (if you ever been to the Edinburgh Piano Company you'll know why I hesitate to say 'Dealer'.
They say that it is there own branded piano based on similar pianos which they sell i.e H.G Schubert.
Again, these are supposed to be there own brand in partnership with a German comapny.
I find it hard to believe a small company like this has enough clout to influence piano manufacturers and hence I have to assume that there is a factory somewhere outputing pianos under various names.
Shame really as it did have a good tone but I don't want to be saddled with a White Elephant.
I'm currently looking at the Kemble range, in particular the K121
Conservatoire
& the Mozart.
I thought the Conservatoire played excellent with a nice light action, however I thought the Mozart sounded best.
The K121 was nice, but not as good I thought.
If money becomes a real factor I would be perfectly happen with a K121.
Anybody else got a view on them.
Thanks
Michael (Glasgow)
Phoned the 'Dealer?' today, (if you ever been to the Edinburgh Piano Company you'll know why I hesitate to say 'Dealer'.
They say that it is there own branded piano based on similar pianos which they sell i.e H.G Schubert.
Again, these are supposed to be there own brand in partnership with a German comapny.
I find it hard to believe a small company like this has enough clout to influence piano manufacturers and hence I have to assume that there is a factory somewhere outputing pianos under various names.
Shame really as it did have a good tone but I don't want to be saddled with a White Elephant.
I'm currently looking at the Kemble range, in particular the K121
Conservatoire
& the Mozart.
I thought the Conservatoire played excellent with a nice light action, however I thought the Mozart sounded best.
The K121 was nice, but not as good I thought.
If money becomes a real factor I would be perfectly happen with a K121.
Anybody else got a view on them.
Thanks
Michael (Glasgow)
Last edited by mgmcgill on 09 Oct 2008, 22:35, edited 1 time in total.
The Kembles (any of the ones you mention) are far nicer instruments than a random-named 'stencil' piano.
Kembles have good pedigree and share much 'dna' with Yamaha instruments (albeit with a typically mellower tone).
Good action, good tone, and very reasonably priced quality instrument - would get my vote every time from your choices.
Kembles have good pedigree and share much 'dna' with Yamaha instruments (albeit with a typically mellower tone).
Good action, good tone, and very reasonably priced quality instrument - would get my vote every time from your choices.
mgmcgill wrote:Hi,
Phoned the 'Dealer?' today, (if you ever been to the Edinburgh Piano Company you'll know why I hesitate to say 'Dealer'.
They say that it is there own branded piano based on similar pianos which they sell i.e H.G Schubert.
I think the Edinburgh piano company are an excellent firm actually, and having bought my Brodmann from them I am in a position to say so. They are also one of the best places to buy a Bosendorfer from, as they are the dealer in Scotland for this brand, even since the Yamaha takeover. James Cameron has even had a satisfied hire customer in Tori Amos, so they're not as small as you think they are, looks can be deceiving.
German design simply means the piano is based on a german piano, which it probably is. Doesn't mean its German built etc. Pianos often come in to stores from china with no name on them, and shops can add whatever name they like. Take a look at Irmler for example, or Markson pianos, Even Brodmann, Boston, Essex, and low end Yamahas will see a bit of this kind of thing going on. At the price you pay for them, you can't really complain though!
Yes, you really need to know which factory they're built in.joseph wrote:
German design simply means the piano is based on a german piano, which it probably is. Doesn't mean its German built etc. Pianos often come in to stores from china with no name on them, and shops can add whatever name they like. Take a look at Irmler for example, or Markson pianos, Even Brodmann, Boston, Essex, and low end Yamahas will see a bit of this kind of thing going on. At the price you pay for them, you can't really complain though!
I tuned an obviously Chinese piano today for a family in N W London who had bought something called a "Schaefer". This was a revelation in that it took Chinese piano design back to the dark ages of the early '80s with dreadful brightness, shoddy build and it was almost totally untuneable owing to the clickiest of wrestpins which permitted no fine tuning at all, but rather forced the tuner to choose a tuning either above or below correct pitch. It was as if all the pins were ratcheted. Shocking piece of Chinese junk. (See what I did there?) There are some terrible Chinese pianos around, and price is often the clue. You need to go above the £2k mark (list price, ignoring discounts) to find a decent entry level Chinese piano, and I would be wary of dealer specials around the £1400 mark.
A Brodmann however is a truly professional-quality instrument. Other superb Chinese factories are: Perzina, Pearl-River and Hailun. Brand names of pianos from these factories are many, so find out *who* built your piano rather than what country it was built in! Of these, Brodmann and Wendl & Lung (Hailun) are designed in Austria, and Perzina are designed in Germany/Holland. Perzina also use up to 90% European-sourced parts including an Austrian soundboard in all their models and Renner hammers and/or actions in their high-end models. Pearl-River use design input from Yamaha in some of theirs, and actually used to assemble the old C-110 model for Yamaha.
Obviously confusion does exist in that some brands use different Chinese factories to produce different models. An example: Bentley appear to have been made in the Dongbei factory (one of my least favourite) and also Pearl-River. Blüthner used to go one step further by making the budget Irmler range in two completely different locations, the Irmler-Europe in a factory in Poland and the standard Irmler in Pearl River. Ironic that the Chinese piano was vastly superior!
If you can come up with cutting-edge satire of this quality at 05:03am you must be able to kill a cow at a hundred paces using just your bare wit by lunchtimeShocking piece of Chinese junk. (See what I did there?)
Even so, get some sleep, man!
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Solon (c. 630 - c. 500 B.C.), Greek Statesman and Reformer
Solon (c. 630 - c. 500 B.C.), Greek Statesman and Reformer
Are we talking about the same shop?I think the Edinburgh piano company are an excellent firm actually, and having bought my Brodmann from them I am in a position to say so.
Small front window?
A shop so small when you go in your lucky if you can squeeze between the pianos nevermind play them?
An 'assistant' who was very helpful but has to be experienced to be believed?
When asked how much for a particluar paino responded with "a couple of grand"?
Maybe it's me that's mad and not the rest of the world.
