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I have just moved house and I have inherited a Piano, Unfortunately I know nothing about Pianos, however it sounds lovely. It is a Broadwood Player Pianoforte Patented P104244 and I assume is over 100 years old, I have visited John Broadwoods web site but the number I have is not listed, how can I find out the history and value of this piano?

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It's unlikely that you have a player piano pre-1904, they were mostly piano players then, and numbers beginning with P (for piano) are usually stock numbers from retailers who sold Pianos and other things. See

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Bill Kibby wrote:It's unlikely that you have a player piano pre-1904, they were mostly piano players then, and numbers beginning with P (for piano) are usually stock numbers from retailers who sold Pianos and other things. See

http://www.uk-piano.org/piano-gen/piano ... mbers.html
Hi Thanks for a quick reply. Inside the Piano it says from Geo II to Edward VII does this give and indication of its age?
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Edward VII came to the throne in 1901, and died 1910, so we're probably in the period you suggest, or a little after 1910, but their 1905 catalogue doesn't mention player pianos, and this was early for built-in player actions. Isn't there another number inside? If your tuner can remove the end keys, there may be a date there.
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Fall board:
In decorative writing it says John Broadwood & Sons London. On the back stamped into the wood it says: C&E, 104244, CN100L.

Key number 1:
Stamped on it says "104244" and "C&W".
In pencil it says "13/04/08" and "J Voders 14/4/08"

Key Number 88 (Last key):
In pencil it says possibly "D Brown 23????"

On the interior cast iron plate it says "RECD Frame John Broadwood & Sons Ltd London Estd 1728 by Appointment Makers to the British Sorvereigns from Geo II to Edward VII Grand Prix Paris 1900"
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"Broadwood Player Piano Forte Patented P104244"

The piano also has 2 brass candle stick holders, 1 either side.

Tomorrow I am going to buy a book and learn how to play.

I have read your site and i think it is very informative.
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Well, I still don't understand the P, but the published numbers put it right in the period I thought, at about 1907, and since the keys were obviously completed in 1908, the piano was finished within months of that, so this is an early example of a Broadwood player. I recommend talking to one of the websites that specialises in players and self-acting instruments for information on that aspect.
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Many thanks for all of your information. You are very kind - and knowledgable.
Michelle
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