As a veggie of some 20 years or so I can tell you that the memory of sausage and bacon and black pud is very dear to me, and when I get the chance (away from the missus at the firm's christmas do, for instance) I do regress and indulge myself. That said, it's not too bad being meat free but it is a problem getting the protein without going too heavy on the dairy. We do eat fish but probably not enough.
For weight loss purposes it's quite good, provided you don't drench everything in oil, and keep off the starchy carbs like spuds.
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Becoming a vegetarian - ideas?
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Hi Dave,
Warning, this is long…
When I was 17, I had high blood pressure. This was bad enough for my doc to threaten me with medication, so, I decided to try and do something about it myself. At about the same time, I’d stayed up late and watch a programme on tv about work inside an abattoir. There was nothing wrong in how the animals were treated, but the images had a massive impact on me.
So, there were two aspects, the health one, and the bunny-hugger one.
The health one worked like a charm, my blood pressure did come down sufficiently to get me out of the medication zone. My weight went down too. I’m not sure this is 100% down to the vegetarian diet, but it is certainly because going veggie made me stop and think about what was in what I was about to eat and to start taking an interest in my health in general.
Now, 100s of years later, I’m still a veggie. I don’t consider meat/poultry/fish as food, it may look ok and smell ok, but I never want to eat it and I never feel like I’m missing out or that a meal is lacking. In fact, compared to some of my meat-eating friends, I find that we tend to be more adventurous with what we try. We eat well and we enjoy cooking and being foodies. We don’t use meat substitutes, like quorn, I never particularly loved meat and giving it up was not a problem, so why would I want to replace it with something that tastes like it? That, though, is just my own preference, if you enjoy or miss meat, then these may suit you!
We also save money. Meat is a very expensive ingredient.
The bunny-hugger in me is still here too, Hugh Fearnley-Whittingstall said that if you’re not prepared to kill, skin, prepare and cook your own meat, then you should be a veggie and I subscribe to that, I’m a total softie and couldn’t eat cow any more than I could eat my cat.
What I’d say is this is not about sacrifice, food is great and should be enjoyed. If you want to be veggie, I’m the last person to discourage you, but you already have your own good reasons and, if you don’t subscribe to the ‘full package’ like me, well, you don’t have to be a card carrying veggie to make a difference to your health and wallet, do what you can for the benefit of your health, have the odd meaty meal if that’s what you fancy and above all, enjoy your food.
The Vegetarian Society has a lot of advice on its web site http://www.vegsoc.org/ that will help with getting started, plus nutritional advice at http://www.vegsoc.org/info/basic-nutrition.html Just so you know, it’s almost unheard of in the Western world to have a shortage of protein in the diet, virtually everything contains protein, it’s just getting a range of protein from non-animal sources that it the key so that you have all the essential amino acids included in your diet. Eggs, for example, are a ‘perfect’ protein, so contain them all, but a nice curry with dahl, rice and other veg would have a good balance too. An example of a meal that has a great balance of carbs and proteins is beans on toast!
Have I bored you to tears yet? I didn’t even get to the ‘how green it is’ stuff
Jan
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Warning, this is long…
When I was 17, I had high blood pressure. This was bad enough for my doc to threaten me with medication, so, I decided to try and do something about it myself. At about the same time, I’d stayed up late and watch a programme on tv about work inside an abattoir. There was nothing wrong in how the animals were treated, but the images had a massive impact on me.
So, there were two aspects, the health one, and the bunny-hugger one.
The health one worked like a charm, my blood pressure did come down sufficiently to get me out of the medication zone. My weight went down too. I’m not sure this is 100% down to the vegetarian diet, but it is certainly because going veggie made me stop and think about what was in what I was about to eat and to start taking an interest in my health in general.
Now, 100s of years later, I’m still a veggie. I don’t consider meat/poultry/fish as food, it may look ok and smell ok, but I never want to eat it and I never feel like I’m missing out or that a meal is lacking. In fact, compared to some of my meat-eating friends, I find that we tend to be more adventurous with what we try. We eat well and we enjoy cooking and being foodies. We don’t use meat substitutes, like quorn, I never particularly loved meat and giving it up was not a problem, so why would I want to replace it with something that tastes like it? That, though, is just my own preference, if you enjoy or miss meat, then these may suit you!
We also save money. Meat is a very expensive ingredient.
The bunny-hugger in me is still here too, Hugh Fearnley-Whittingstall said that if you’re not prepared to kill, skin, prepare and cook your own meat, then you should be a veggie and I subscribe to that, I’m a total softie and couldn’t eat cow any more than I could eat my cat.
What I’d say is this is not about sacrifice, food is great and should be enjoyed. If you want to be veggie, I’m the last person to discourage you, but you already have your own good reasons and, if you don’t subscribe to the ‘full package’ like me, well, you don’t have to be a card carrying veggie to make a difference to your health and wallet, do what you can for the benefit of your health, have the odd meaty meal if that’s what you fancy and above all, enjoy your food.
The Vegetarian Society has a lot of advice on its web site http://www.vegsoc.org/ that will help with getting started, plus nutritional advice at http://www.vegsoc.org/info/basic-nutrition.html Just so you know, it’s almost unheard of in the Western world to have a shortage of protein in the diet, virtually everything contains protein, it’s just getting a range of protein from non-animal sources that it the key so that you have all the essential amino acids included in your diet. Eggs, for example, are a ‘perfect’ protein, so contain them all, but a nice curry with dahl, rice and other veg would have a good balance too. An example of a meal that has a great balance of carbs and proteins is beans on toast!
Have I bored you to tears yet? I didn’t even get to the ‘how green it is’ stuff
Jan
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Yeah I have never understood why a vegetarian, especially one who becomes one because of animal welfare ; wants to eat 'bacon style rashers' or veggie sausages 'in the style of meat'Nutroast wrote: quorn, I never particularly loved meat and giving it up was not a problem, so why would I want to replace it with something that tastes like it? That, though, is just my own preference, if you enjoy or miss meat, then these may suit you!
I'm sorry I don't think I could be converted into a vegetarian, it would probably drive my mum mad. I already cause a bit of a headache for her when shes planing dinner as I refuse to eat chicken that isn't free range or rspca inspected or halal. So KFC or cheap economy chicken legs are out of the question.
Did you know chickens are the most abused animals in the word? I wouldn't be surprised after seeing what happens in Bernard Mattews chicken and turkey farms; I was in tears after
. And now they have the cheek to bring out a new brand identity for them so they look 'green' and animal friendly !!!!!!!! 
grrrrrrrr!!! hisssss, spit.So yes you can be a bunny hugger ( rabbit tastes rubbish anyway, and has very little nutrients in them ) and eat meat
. I'm all for the free range movement! I will try to buy free range when I move out more often though. - Sorry if I went off topic there! 
Yep, mine have got spaghetti with parsley this morning, poor thingsMoonlight wrote:
Did you know chickens are the most abused animals in the word?
Actually, you are right, it's a shame that they continue to grow or produce eggs despite dreadful conditions, if they went on mass strike, maybe things would be forced to change.I am totally with you on the Bernard Matthews thing, don't get me started!
Jan
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Ahhh, you actually cook them some spaghetti? thats so funny I would of never of thought of feeding chickens spaghetti! ( is it a worm substitute?Nutroast wrote:
Yep, mine have got spaghetti with parsley this morning, poor things
I am totally with you on the Bernard Matthews thing, don't get me started!
) I can just imagine them pecking at it 
. If only they all took care of the farm animals as well as you did Jan! Yeah the cheap stuff isn't nice, I got fed up with seeing all those ammonia burns on the chicken's knees , and finding that the bones in the wings and legs in KFC were broken; obviously when the animal was alive as there was bruising in the flesh - horrible.dave brum wrote:I could smell a wee bit of intensive unethical farming there!!
Linzy's free range organic chicken tasted delicious, and ebery time we have a chicken now we always go organic and free range. The difference is staggering and quite shocking!
Free range is better as it has les fat in it (they have exercise! ), you are what you eat. Eat a fat chicken that has a space the size of an A4 piece of paper to move about on and well, you will get fat.
fat animal = fat person that ate the fat animal...
Hey Jan,
If you ever decide to get some more chickens, I think there are like rescue centers for old battery hens. I saw something on the news where these old ladys were kniting them tank tops as the hens had lost their feathers.
If I ever live in the country and have room for some chickens I might just try and get some rescued battery hens, they are a very pretty breed imo.
If you ever decide to get some more chickens, I think there are like rescue centers for old battery hens. I saw something on the news where these old ladys were kniting them tank tops as the hens had lost their feathers.
If I ever live in the country and have room for some chickens I might just try and get some rescued battery hens, they are a very pretty breed imo.
Davebrum, how am yow gunna goo to a pub an ask furra veggie cow poi?
My advoice is look at yer teef an ask yersen woi yow've got teef that appen to be bostin at cuttin through meat. Yow wuz desoigned to eat meat me owd mucka, yow dunt wanna become one of them pasty-faced whingin' veggies do ya? Naaaaahhh, yow get stuck in to them fagguts 'n' paise an' think twoice.
My advoice is look at yer teef an ask yersen woi yow've got teef that appen to be bostin at cuttin through meat. Yow wuz desoigned to eat meat me owd mucka, yow dunt wanna become one of them pasty-faced whingin' veggies do ya? Naaaaahhh, yow get stuck in to them fagguts 'n' paise an' think twoice.
Under the Animal By-Products Regulation (EC) No. 1774/2002 (don't you just love 'em?) you're not supposed to feed kitchen scraps to your feathered friends, maybe a bse thing, not feeding meat to meat, even if you don't use meat? But it's a total waste not to. The spaghetti my ladies have may be left over, but we sometimes do cook a little extra to make sure they have some. It's great watching them play tug-o-war with a length of spag! I agree Anna, maybe they think they're extra-large worms! They free-range too, so real worm is on the menu too whenever they can.
I know about the re-homing of ex-battery hens, there's a rehoming centre near us. My neighbour has just got six of them and they're adorable. We hope to expand our flock once we move and ex-batts will definitely be on our list!
Jan (aka pasty-faced whingin' veggie!)
I know about the re-homing of ex-battery hens, there's a rehoming centre near us. My neighbour has just got six of them and they're adorable. We hope to expand our flock once we move and ex-batts will definitely be on our list!
Jan (aka pasty-faced whingin' veggie!)
Brumtuner wrote:Davebrum, how am yow gunna goo to a pub an ask furra veggie cow poi?
My advoice is look at yer teef an ask yersen woi yow've got teef that appen to be bostin at cuttin through meat. Yow wuz desoigned to eat meat me owd mucka, yow dunt wanna become one of them pasty-faced whingin' veggies do ya? Naaaaahhh, yow get stuck in to them fagguts 'n' paise an' think twoice.
what language is that then, Cornish? sounds like old country folk tounge or somat."Wim gewin ta Kiddy in tha new yee-a, so ya doh jus eeya it rown Dudley Grayt Brijj an Prinsizz End, ya know. Wi went ewt fa a meel in Brommitch laswick and nuffinks chainjd sins abeawt nineteen atey. Exept thez trammz now!"
Let me guess.... You're from Lacarno road but were brung up in Oxbridgeshire?
Let me guess.... You're from Lacarno road but were brung up in Oxbridgeshire?
Nah, I dan rally talk like a Essex gerl...ya know!dave brum wrote:Don't worry dearest AnnaMoonlight wrote:reminds me of Jonny Kingdom ( English version of Steve Irwin ) hes from Exmoor.I don't really talk like that so you need not be scared duckies!
Do you talk like an Essex (I wont say girl
I do try to pronounce my 'Ts' although sometimes I miss them out and I deffinitely avoid using the word 'ya' or 'yous lot' or 'wack it in the oven' as Jamie Oliver says
. I just don't get that at all . I knew this girl at college and she thought I spoke quite 'well' as in posh!
or maybe because I used to litsten to classical music on my walkman.Hi Dave,
No I'm nothing like Kate Nash!
Yeah I'm looking forward to meeting you two, too! I hope you are still praticing even though your lessons have been postponed, and have some tunes up your sleeve to try out the pianos on chapples! I found another music shop in Tottenham Court Road too it sells only sheet music so we can try to find it if you like.
I had to miss my lesson this week as I had another interview, but then annoyingly they made the interview the day after! so I missed my lesson for nothing! I didn't want to phone up my teacher and mess up her schedule.
Yeah I hope your wife becomes intrested in taking up the piano too!
What have you been learning lately? Christmas carols?
No I'm nothing like Kate Nash!
Yeah I'm looking forward to meeting you two, too! I hope you are still praticing even though your lessons have been postponed, and have some tunes up your sleeve to try out the pianos on chapples! I found another music shop in Tottenham Court Road too it sells only sheet music so we can try to find it if you like.
I had to miss my lesson this week as I had another interview, but then annoyingly they made the interview the day after! so I missed my lesson for nothing!
I didn't want to phone up my teacher and mess up her schedule. Yeah I hope your wife becomes intrested in taking up the piano too!
What have you been learning lately? Christmas carols?
Hi Kate, oh, I mean Anna, I'm sorry you missed your lesson for nothing, what a pain. How did the interview go in the end?
I hope I get to meet you and Dave some time. I'd love to watch your concert in Chappels I could do you "We Three Kings" if you're in good voice to accompany me!
Incredibly, I've just had my 10th lesson, I now have to dig deep to pay for the next batch, which I'm definitely going to do. I'm really enjoying this stuff and have just finished my grade 1 theory book, what a shame my playing hasn't kept up with my theory
Jonny Kingdom eh? I know his heart's in the right place, but I couldn't work him out! Anyone who's permanently in army fatigues makes me just a tad uneasy!
Going back (slightly) to the veggie theme, we've got two old family butchers shops here and one has pheasants hanging outside this time of year. For some strange reason, I'd rather see that than plastic wrapped stuff in the supermarket.
Also, just about on the animal theme, I had a dream last night. I was in a theatre and the guest of honour was the Queen, she arrived in a cart pulled by a magnificent ox and had a dead (or very sleepy) pig with her as a gift. Please don't try and interpret that one, I must stay off the cheese.
Jan
I hope I get to meet you and Dave some time. I'd love to watch your concert in Chappels
I could do you "We Three Kings" if you're in good voice to accompany me!Incredibly, I've just had my 10th lesson, I now have to dig deep to pay for the next batch, which I'm definitely going to do. I'm really enjoying this stuff and have just finished my grade 1 theory book, what a shame my playing hasn't kept up with my theory
Jonny Kingdom eh? I know his heart's in the right place, but I couldn't work him out! Anyone who's permanently in army fatigues makes me just a tad uneasy!
Going back (slightly) to the veggie theme, we've got two old family butchers shops here and one has pheasants hanging outside this time of year. For some strange reason, I'd rather see that than plastic wrapped stuff in the supermarket.
Also, just about on the animal theme, I had a dream last night. I was in a theatre and the guest of honour was the Queen, she arrived in a cart pulled by a magnificent ox and had a dead (or very sleepy) pig with her as a gift. Please don't try and interpret that one, I must stay off the cheese.
Jan
Hi Jan!
Nip down to London on the 6th and we can be a very amateur piano trio! any pieces we can learn in a week that are for 6 hands:?:
The interview went ok but they have a lot of people applying for this one so I will be very lucky to get a sencond interview with them, but you never know.
wow your 10th lesson! if I went this week it would of been my 4th one.
I quite like watching Jonny Kingdom, he is ok if you ignore his eccentricity, I liked his pet deer Bambi, but she died
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Yeah I think its nicer to see the dead animals with there feathers / hair on then off. I still have the image of skined rabbits with their heads on and staring blank eyes fresh in my mind; when I went on hoilday to Spain when I was 7 .
Funny dream! I haven't been having any for quite a while, keep of the cheese before bedtime!
Nip down to London on the 6th and we can be a very amateur piano trio!
any pieces we can learn in a week that are for 6 hands:?: The interview went ok but they have a lot of people applying for this one so I will be very lucky to get a sencond interview with them, but you never know.
wow your 10th lesson! if I went this week it would of been my 4th one.
I quite like watching Jonny Kingdom, he is ok if you ignore his eccentricity, I liked his pet deer Bambi, but she died
. Yeah I think its nicer to see the dead animals with there feathers / hair on then off. I still have the image of skined rabbits with their heads on and staring blank eyes fresh in my mind; when I went on hoilday to Spain when I was 7
. Funny dream! I haven't been having any for quite a while, keep of the cheese before bedtime!
Hi,dave brum wrote:Hi Annacakes
Then, I bought a new music book in Wusster yesterday. Easy play hymns, and I can play almost perfectly 'Abide With Me' (which might come in handy if the FA want me to play it at Wembley on Cup Final day!!!) and 'Bread Of Heaven' (which will give me something to play at my citizenship ceremony should I ever want to apply for full Welsh citizenship!)
Then there's the Chrissie carols, which I'm further advanced with than last year. It'll be either a Christmas carol, or an etched on my mind exam piece I'll be playing with you a week tomorrow!
On that day you and I will be Piano Ambassadors for my wife!!!!!
Thats good Dave I'm glad to see you havn't lost intrest in it! keep it up.
Yeah I have heard of Bach Anna Magdalena notebook, when we go to London I'm gonna try and buy it, its easy Baroque pieces.
Speaking of Bach I can play all of Bach's Prelude in C major and I am learning another one of his preludes the one in C minor. Honestly Dave they are not too hard, don't be put off them because they all in semiquavers!
They are like really beautiful Hanon excerises! very repetitive but very nice to hear. I will try to play you one when we meet, if I don't get Foreign Piano Syndrome!
I got it when I tried to play the prelude for a friend but forgot most of it.
I did magage to play her all of Vivaldi with just a bit of a mistake.
I still need to learn a carol! shouldn't take too long I'm sure my sight reading has got a little better, learning harder stuff helps a lot.
Not at all!!Thats a nice name for the cats! of course you will need to go to Essex to buy this new cats, they have to be Essex girls!
Johnny Kingdom is a wildlife presenter, he has his own show on BBC 2 sometimes, he films the wildlife in Exmoor. He is very eccentric and over the top, reminds me of Steve Irwin.
of course you will need to go to Essex to buy this new cats, they have to be Essex girls!Johnny Kingdom is a wildlife presenter, he has his own show on BBC 2 sometimes, he films the wildlife in Exmoor. He is very eccentric and over the top, reminds me of Steve Irwin.
Re: Becoming a vegetarian - ideas?
Why Become Vegetarian ?
Cut the fat. While meat provides a lot of protein, it also provides a ton of fat — especially saturated fat. Which means that by cutting out meat, you’ll be cutting out a lot of bad fat, and replacing it with things that are probably not only lower in fat, but that contain some good fats
Less food poisoning. Food poisoning gets millions of people each year — and many of them from meat, which is a good breeding ground for harmful bacteria, especially if not stored, prepared or cooked exactly right
Reduce the suffering. You probably don’t want to hear about the horrific treatment of animals that are raised for food, even before they are slaughtered for our benefit.
Help the environment. There are actually numerous ways that the meat industry harms the environment, from a waste of our resources (animals raised for food eat enough grain to feed the world)
Get more nutrition. In general (though not necessarily), vegetarians replace meat with more nutritious foods, such as fruits, vegetables, beans, whole grains, and so on
Vegetarian restaurants. There’s only one vegetarian restaurant on Guam, and unfortunately it’s closed on nights and weekends (it’s a Seventh-Day Adventist joint, open for lunch on weekdays, and it’s great)
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Cut the fat. While meat provides a lot of protein, it also provides a ton of fat — especially saturated fat. Which means that by cutting out meat, you’ll be cutting out a lot of bad fat, and replacing it with things that are probably not only lower in fat, but that contain some good fats Less food poisoning. Food poisoning gets millions of people each year — and many of them from meat, which is a good breeding ground for harmful bacteria, especially if not stored, prepared or cooked exactly right Reduce the suffering. You probably don’t want to hear about the horrific treatment of animals that are raised for food, even before they are slaughtered for our benefit. Help the environment. There are actually numerous ways that the meat industry harms the environment, from a waste of our resources (animals raised for food eat enough grain to feed the world) Get more nutrition. In general (though not necessarily), vegetarians replace meat with more nutritious foods, such as fruits, vegetables, beans, whole grains, and so on Vegetarian restaurants. There’s only one vegetarian restaurant on Guam, and unfortunately it’s closed on nights and weekends (it’s a Seventh-Day Adventist joint, open for lunch on weekdays, and it’s great)________________________________________________________________
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Re: Becoming a vegetarian - ideas?
Terre a Terre in Brighton: Restaurant heaven!mayu0203 wrote:
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Re: Becoming a vegetarian - ideas?
I actually just saw an episode of River Cottage Spring where Hugh Fearnley-Whittingstall was helping a woman who has been a vegetarian for 15 years start eating meat again. It was funny how she was grossed out just by the sight of meat. In the end though she did eat quite a lot - but admitted it will take a long time of getting used to.
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Re: Becoming a vegetarian - ideas?
Blimey Dave - you'll be fading away! Well done!
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