Mangeot Freres Steinway

[Mangeot Brothers]

Gday Bill
I am not new to your site , but was unaware until this evening that the forum had been started and it looks great.
Bill I contacted you a few years ago about a Black 7ft 3inch C model Grand piano circa 1870 complete with style 1 Steinway plate that started its life in your part of the world. Originally made in Nancy France by the Mangeot Brothers and sold by the very first European Steinway Dealer, The Piano Forte Baker St London. I have been researching this piano on and off for the past 8 years or so and was wondering if you or any of your forum members have anything to add to this intriguing story.
Unfortunately Steinway in Hamburg have indicated that all documents were lost in the bombings of Steinway Buildings in London during WW2. But they have indicated they are still interested in any further progress re this research.
Cheers from Oz
Tony

[Bill Kibby]

The forum has been around for years. Yes, I certainly remember your enquiry, I often come across it in our files, but have nothing to add, in fact when I saw this enquiry, I was hoping it might be a new lead, especially as it was signed by the Mangeot Brothers! We have no funding to cover research abroad, so anything that turns up at random is a matter of luck.

[Mangeot Brothers]

No worries Bill
When I recieved your emails a while back indicating that you were looking into this subject I just thought I'd check to see if you found anything more on it, its been a while.
I wasnt surprised as its a difficult subject to find info on, however Williams Diaries makes for good reading if people are interested.
Keep up the good work.
cheers
Tony

[popojcb]

Hi, Im french and may english (as all frenchies) is very bad. I have a "Piano 3/4 de queue MANGEOT-STEINWAY & SONS mod?le 240 (year 1866)" and I work to get informations about it.

I'll contact the Nancy's tow and it music conservatory. If you're interrest I can transmit it to you, but there will be in french.

[Bill Kibby]

Thanks. How do you know it was made in 1866?

[Mangeot Brothers]

Hello
I may have information that is of interest to you as well.
You can email me direct alderley@aapt.net.au.
I am keeping a record of all grand pianos of this type and their serial numbers etc. Would be interested in the details of your piano.
cheers
Tony

[benvoreux]

Hi, Im french and may english (as all frenchies) is very bad. I have a "Piano 3/4 de queue MANGEOT-STEINWAY & SONS mod?le 240 (year 1866)" and I work to get informations about it.

I'll contact the Nancy's tow and it music conservatory. If you're interrest I can transmit it to you, but there will be in french.

Hi popojcb !

I'm french too and I also have a MANGEOT FRERES piano (with a steinway mechanism) and I would be interested to get some information from you about your contact in Nancy.

I didn't wanted to write in French because this is an englsih message board, but I have just sent you a MP about this.
So check your MPs please!

[popojcb]

Sorry, I'm slow and busy. I receive the informations from Nancy. Nothing really intteresting, just some informations about the factor (Mr Mangeot) in the piano's world history. The men was very interresting, but did not possed informations about the end of "mangeot & fils" compagny, and the stenway importation in the last part of his history.
The documents are partials copies of two frenchs books that we dont still find in library.javascript:emoticon('')

Benvoreux, if you want leave me your email adress than I sent you copies of the documents I received.

Mangeot Brothers do you read french ? The documents I receives dont speak aubout your instruments, only on world piano developpement. I still dont possed information about my piano.

for Bill Kibby, I'am not sure about it , I just suppose, it's writtened on.

Read you soon.

[Bill Kibby]

You can email me by pressing the button below, or go to www.pianogen.org where you can read the Datemarks link, which points out that pianos are hardly ever marked with the year of manufacture. It is more likely to be the date of an exhibition medal, or the date they were established. See also the Medals link at www.pianogen.org

[Mangeot Brothers]

Hello popojcb nice to hear back from you. No I apologise I do not speak French but I am interested in the documents which I will arrange for translation.
Cheers

[benvoreux]

Sorry, I'm slow and busy. I receive the informations from Nancy. Nothing really intteresting, just some informations about the factor (Mr Mangeot) in the piano's world history. The men was very interresting, but did not possed informations about the end of "mangeot & fils" compagny, and the stenway importation in the last part of his history.
The documents are partials copies of two frenchs books that we dont still find in library.javascript:emoticon('')

Benvoreux, if you want leave me your email adress than I sent you copies of the documents I received.

Mangeot Brothers do you read french ? The documents I receives dont speak aubout your instruments, only on world piano developpement. I still dont possed information about my piano.

for Bill Kibby, I'am not sure about it , I just suppose, it's writtened on.

Read you soon.

I'm just back from holidays so I just get your post right now...
Of course I read french as I am french
I would be glad if you could send me this documents, my email address : benoit.voreux@yahoo.fr
thanks in advance!
benoît

[ryan.patrick.d]

Hello All!
This is wonderfully interesting, for many reasons... One of which being that i indirectly know Tony. Tony, i think i have your piano!
Did you happen to sell it to a woman named Veronica? In answering to why the year 1866 is relevant, that is the date that the plates were forged, by steinway, in New York. If you'd like to know, the Serial No of my piano is 139, and it was sold at 28 Baker st London.

I Have been doing a bit of research into these mysterious pianos, and found afew entries on a blog by Tony, between a selection of Piano restorers from around the world. If any of you would like any of the information i've dug up, do not hesitate to ask!
Just contact me Via ryan.patrick.d@live.com and i'll answer as best i can!

Tony, i have 3 questions for you;
1: How many of the 200 have you found?
2:Do you know any restorers in the Sydney area competent enough to restore our one?
3:Roughly where abouts in Australia are you based? I'm in the blue mountains myself.

Thanks guys!

[Bill Kibby]

The writer of the new Mangeot posting would like to contact Tony Murphy please.